This thread is taking on a different view as some of the past and previous posts I have made towards others over the past 2-3 days. With that said...

My apologies go out to the entire Digitalpanic community and whoever else it may concern, the band itself, others who just signed up and read the posts, etc. I am fully aware of the wrong with the scalping of tickets and the being of an jerk that comes along with that, or as some might now classify me a wook. Things will never be the same between myself and some of the people that i was friends with on this board, and for some these actions just confirmed what others have always thought of me. No more excuses will follow, just the truth. From the beginning of the whole mail order my friend and I agreed that if we got our tix filled that we would sell one of the sets on ebay in order to cover money, gas, and food for the trip. Well, obviously we went through with that plan, and thanks to the work of a digital detective, it was exposed. It is too late to change the past now and the tickets are long gone, but I am coming on behalf of an apology to everyone i wronged and harmed through this ordeal. Honestly, at the time I saw nothing wrong with what was done, but after all the money was received i felt pretty bad. I also want to apologize at the useless and personal attacks I have taken on some of you in these past 2 days, when i was clearly being the terd that just wouldn't flush. From here on out, if allowed to stay, I can promise to be a new Wrangler, one who will think before he speaks, won't comment on things he knows nothing about (THE DAT TAPES), and just being willing to contribute a positive attitude towards regulars and noobs alike. For those who choose to accept this thank you, and for those who just aren't finished reeming me, well here's the official thread that you can take it out on me. I will not respond or defend myself, i guess you could call it an internet beatdown. That's really all I wanted to say, so once again to everyone who was harmed, shocked, wronged and just flat out pissed and disgusted, I apologize for the selfish act that i committed.

-Carter

Edit: Thanks Irie for reminding me of probably the worst part of this whole situation. The hypocrisy. Yes i played boths ides of the fence on the scalping issue, why? I don't really know. Maybe it was to help me feel better about what I had done after I realized how crappy it was. Apology is extended to the issue of being a hypocrite as well as a scalper.

I really don't read this site anymore due to the stupid people on this site now, you included. That being said, I have no idea what you are saying. If you scalped tickets on ebay you sould hang your head and stop posting here. period. You are not apart of this community. Good bye.

You know this is nice. Its a start, and its nice. However you still have missed the point. Its not only the fact that you scalped tix that you could have hooked someone up with for face. Maybe even someone from this board that does alot of hard work for a pasion that is Widespread Panic/Music. But you also made many comments condeming this same action to many other people. This is the problem. You have ruined all credibility both ways. You not only got caught scalping tix, but turning around and comdeming others for doing that same thing. This is a problem with trust, dignity,and would damage any relationship even family. However family loves unconditionally, but I dont know if you have earned the respect of anyone here, so that they would consider you family. I say you took a right step in this. However if I were you I would just be chill. Sit back, relax let time pass. You have to give respect to get it. And that should start and never stop now. Respect from others will come from that. This is comeing from someone who has no desire to go to the fox btw, but still finds your actions completely repulsive!

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"Little more brains or somethin’,
sure would be nice, maybe trade for my soul "

-Jerry Joseph

just some ramblings/observations... There's an old saying.. "better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt...". Just b/c u think something doesn't mean u have to post it. There are 2 or 3 sides to every story, so think before you blast or question people. Also, consider ur audience. Frankly, even if Steve or Martin or DP or Bobby etc. came on here and said they did the craziest f'in thing imaginable, I'm gonna AUTOMATICALLY give them a pass b/c of all of the music they've brought to the community/me. Their efforts in that regard have already shown anyone paying attention what kind of people they are, so if they did something that at first glance maybe didn't seem kosher to you, take into account the other things u know about them before u start thinking about passing judgement on them.

$800 is a shit ton of food and gas from memphis to atl . please go away. you are no longer needed. in fact you were never needed. take your ball and go play with someone else.

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Townes Van Zandt

Once upon a time, So many years ago I don't care to count, I was standing around a group of people who were watching two kids get ready to bare knuckle brawl. As the two danced around one another sizing one another up, the guy who lived next door, wandered over with a beer in his hand. He waded through the sea of people, and stood directly between the two who were getting ready to fight. He looked them booth right in the eyse and slurred, "Did either of you touch the others money, woman or beer? If not there ain't no reason to fight." And wandered off.

That may have been one of the best lessons I ever learned in high school.

That being said, No offense taken on my part.

Peace to you all.

--R

I now know here his seats are and my hands are not very good at holding onto liquid items when i walk past scalper poser panic fans. just in case you want to look out for me wrangler, i'll be wearing overalls and a green shirt that says coach on the back on the 24th, after that its up to you to be on the look out poser! where will your tank be located?>out!

people are to serious nowdays lifes too short take a puff off the old peace pipe and move on

the biggest problem wid wrangler is that he planned from the beginning to get extra tix and sell them if he received them. by doing so he took them out of someone elses hands who might otherwise have recived them for face value! his kharma will catch up with him! if you want to redeem yourself wid me wrangler sell the tickets for face value that you didnt scalp to someone who tried to get them but did not! That would take care of it for me! real easy!

I have to agree with Pat on this one.....this site has gone downhill FAST (EDIT: the content of the posts, not the aesthetics). Either way, the kid is 21---he did something stupid. Let it go. I don't like what he did any more than the rest of you, but please don't belabor this any longer. I know when I was 21, I did some things that I would not have wanted an entire digital community commenting on.......I am sure a lot of you all did too.

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Let's burn him at the stake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Throughout history every society has faced the fundamental economic problem of deciding what to produce, and for whom, in a world of limited resources. In the 20th century, two competing economic systems, broadly speaking, have provided very different answers: command economies directed by a centralized government, and market economies based on private enterprise. At the end of the 20th century, it is clear that, for people throughout the world, the central, command economy model has failed to sustain economic growth, to achieve a measure of prosperity, or even to provide economic security for its citizens.

Yet for many, the fundamental principles and mechanisms of the alternative, a market economy, remain unfamiliar or misunderstood -- despite its demonstrable successes in diverse societies from Western Europe to North America and Asia. In part, this is because the market economy is not an ideology but a set of time-tested practices and institutions about how individuals and societies can live and prosper economically. Market economies are, by their very nature, decentralized, flexible, practical and changeable. The central fact about market economies is that there is no center. Indeed, one of the founding metaphors for the private marketplace is that of the "invisible hand."

Market economies may be practical, but they also rest upon the fundamental principle of individual freedom: freedom as a consumer to choose among competing products and services; freedom as a producer to start or expand a business and share its risks and rewards; freedom as a worker to choose a job or career, join a labor union, or change employers.

It is this assertion of freedom, of risk and opportunity, that joins together modern market economies and political democracy.

Market economies are not without their inequities and abuses -- many of them serious -- but it is also undeniable that modern private enterprise and entrepreneurial spirit, coupled with political democracy, offers the best prospect for preserving freedom and providing the widest avenues for economic growth and prosperity for all.

thanks for the macro lesson. it's not that people don't wish to live in a market economy. it's that when a band like panic chooses to go back on the road at the type of venues it chooses, the price it would have to set tickets at so the market actually clears is ridiculously high, so the alternative is to set a lower price with hopes that an equitable system for distributing scarce tickets to the extremely large number that can not be accomodated at the lower price. clearly this brings in the chance for abuse by scalpers.

what this community is about is enjoying the music of a band without personal gain. many of us believe there is a compact among members of this community to help each other enjoy the benefits of the community - ie, seeing the band at the price set by the band and sharing in the music of the band without making profit. when a person violates this compact in such an egregious way the community reacts. There is an implicit agreement among many of us here to get as many people into the show as possible without benefitting scalpers. if you want to stick to your econ theory, it's a marxist community within a free market world. we do what we can for the greatest good for our individual community.

clearly that compact was violated here in an egregious way. so i understand your notions of free market and liberty. However, you have to recognize that by choosing to be a part of the sharing of this community as evidenced by this board, a certain member has violated our own compact that is separate and apart from the free market realities of life.

bottom line, wall street is wall street and the rest of the free market...this is panic and our little idealistic world. i therefore reject your little theory.

damon

this shit is gay, i'm outta here.

Hey blueskyy, aren't you the one that got on me for using the term wookie yesterday and proclaimed that this site needs a heightened use of the English language? Looks like your really working on that. Nice job!

(edit)you're not worth my time. this shit is gay, and you all are so predictable. always looking for something to bitch about, why dont you shut the fuck up and go get laid or something. (as for the 'wookies' i wasnt on anyone asshole i was simply stating that the word and the overuse of the word annoys me for some reason, for one it's deffinately become cliche around here) you people use this place as a cover to let out your insecurities. if you want to be here then use it for what it is and enjoy it peacefully. this gay ass flaming shit is totally obvious sign of you malcontent judemental fake insecure personalities. be here, enjoy it, and learn to be graceful to one another by stating you opinions in a non-threatening way. until then you are all a bunch of passive agressive pussies for doing what you do. i've tried to get somewhere positive with you guys and i'm not even in the middle of all this but apparently you are all too stuck in your ways.

Do you consider this statement tantamount to positivism? If so, I sure would hate to see your negative side. While your at it, why don't you work on grammatics/spelling and lose the blatant hate speech!

The worst part of this all is I tryed to buy those tickets. I offered above face and he told me that he had to sell them at a high price because he bought them from a scalper and needed to recope the money and changed his mind about going. I would have loved to have had those tix.
Thanks alot WofS, real cool

You and 1/2 of the rest of us around here... To someone's earlier point, show me a mature 21 yr old guy and I'm asking to see a birth certificate... Hopefully Wrangler will use this experience to live and learn, which is all u can ask at this point imo

good job of "stating your opinions in a non-threatening way".

edited for meanness.